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about this I definitely loved the book

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talked about before but not to this

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depth and it's really crazy to me that

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this book came out in the 90s and I only

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just learned about it because it's it's

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very good well the original edition of

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both UFO and conspiracy stuff a strange

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and sure enough authors and ultimately

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Deeping George Andrews and me I mean

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Harry thoroughly is gone and Jim Keith

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who died under very mysterious and

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unlikely circumstances is gone and

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his wife and developed through the

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poisoning which nobody else in the

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restaurant that they were in developed

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and within hours which is Lately

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poisoning works died so that was the end

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of aluminum press and it sold out the

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first edition but I think there was a

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long long pause

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between the time that that addition went

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out of print and as is always the case

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with the Vipers out there in the

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second-hand market which by the way I

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get no royalties from now that that

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particularly matters to anyone other

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than poor for Alan well I mean it

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matters to me but not you know it's not

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my first concern my first concern is to

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get the information out there between

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the first publication and publication of

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secret rituals of the men in black it

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was a ten year period why you may say

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were you afraid of whoever is killing

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off these other people no because I

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sleep with a gun under my pillow with a

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knife in my right hand I'm just fine he

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said as he sank to the floor well it

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would be you know because the people in

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the apartment under me might get you

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know they're elderly and might not

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understand but in any case what happened

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the illustrious grand pooh-bah of the

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ancient order of antiquity to which I

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then belong we were driving from North

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Carolina to the plant because I talked

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him into doing an initiation that needed

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to be done that was above my paygrade

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gave me this long lecture on why I

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should not be doing UFO books as they

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were not respectable

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things I mean this is all marginalia to

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the public out there but there are

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relative words of Marchen and the fact

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is that UFOs have a lot more public

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acceptance than the occult which is

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assumed to be demonic or whatever right

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but nevertheless he was the guy in

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charge and I at that time cared what he

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thought so I put off publishing the

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second book and then published it with a

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long footnote addressed indirectly to

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him and to other people that are in that

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same category saying you best know what

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you're talking about before you talk

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about it I believe that that is

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reproduced in the current edition of the

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complete secret side for the ephah knots

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which i think is now the definitive

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edition in any case I haven't been

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affiliated with that cult in 15 years

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and haven't been really emotionally

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was certain organization it's a cult and

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I'm just not a cultist I don't want to

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wind up in the Branch Davidian compound

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burning up at the behest of Sony exalted

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pooh-bah or ruler not the thing this

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particular one is that extreme ageism

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he's just wrong you know fair fair and

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cool all right let me knock out this

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intro and we'll really dive into it you

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mean all that once in over the year I

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got it record it I'll throw it in there

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I was good it's a good preamble to the

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book okay well abracadabra

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and Open Sesame people from sunny San

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Diego I'm Greg Carl Wood and I hope your

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seat backs and tray tables are in the

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upright locked position because we're

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going on one hell of a ride today

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of course we've all heard the debate

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over the little green men with almond

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eyes that go bump in the night

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are they advanced aliens from a distant

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planet or ancient ethereal entities that

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have been interacting with man since

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maybe the beginning of time and what

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about Bigfoot Mothman and the rich

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Northern European lore of fairies it

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might be easy to say these are all parts

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of the same thing but it's still hard to

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get a bead on what that thing even is

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and the fact that paranormal and high

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strangeness researchers are so

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compartmentalised only makes the problem

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worse but when you examine cases like

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Crowley's channeling of Aiwass the Seth

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material the story of John D and Edward

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Kelly or even something like the shaver

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mystery it seems like whenever you tap

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into a strong signal the first thing

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these beans deliver is a language of

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some sort and is it possible that the

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preservation of these coded languages

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and contact methods has been the basis

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for secret societies from ancient

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Babylonian priesthoods right on through

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to modern Freemasonry well today's guest

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Allan Greenfield certainly thinks so and

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he breaks it all down in his two books

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the secret cipher of the UFO knots and

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the secret rituals of the men and black

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folks he wrote back in the 90s that have

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now been reprinted as a single volume by

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paranoia publishing called the complete

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secret cipher of the ephah knots a

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one-two punch that is still as poignant

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today as ever you might have seen Allan

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and his secret cipher featured in the

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popular paranormal series Hellyer where

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letters from a man seeking refuge from a

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group of little green Goblin's that were

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emerging from a cave - harasses family

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sent the research team down a winding

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rabbit hole of high strangeness for the

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unfamiliar alan is not only a 35-year

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veteran of ufology and UFO investigative

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work

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he's also been an occultist since 1960

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and has practiced ceremonial magic

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almost as long he also spent two decades

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climbing the ranks of the OTO only to

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leave the structured organization for a

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more independent and individualistic

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path to elimination called the free

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aluminous movement this is going to be a

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fun one and I'm psyched to get into it a

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consecrated bishop in the ESO Tarek

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Gnostic spiritual tradition and the code

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crack and sage of the cipher Allen

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Greenfield welcome to the higher side

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I'm so glad to be here you've said

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everything that I need to say so I

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visual goodnight

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I'll see ya don't take any wooden

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nickels

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Scoob ah oh really I mean you were right

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on the money there that's great

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I try I try and this is a real treat I

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loved the complete secret cipher of the

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you four knots it goes very deep and

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connecting modern ufology to contact

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rituals of occult traditions and it

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starts off with a bang breaking down the

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basic premise into 11 bullet points and

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I won't read them all but right off the

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bat you say first some people among us

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are in the know about the UFO phenomena

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which have manifested throughout history

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certain people have known the nature of

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this phenomena and have used its nature

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for almost just as long which is a hell

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of a way to start a book when most

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people consider these things to still be

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a mystery

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it seems the further we go back the

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harder it is to be sure about anything

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but what could you tell us about this

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deep history of contact to really get

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the ball rolling here well the first

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thing that needs to be observed is that

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there has been communication with these

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whatsits of various stripes as you

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decrypted said you phones and even

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things like ghosts and apparitions and

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UFO phenomenon and all these things that

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seem to operate stripped to their core

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in the same manner suggesting that they

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are something that has always been with

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us there have always been people who

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have communion tomorrow which term with

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these sources and you know my mind leaps

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immediately towards like entities I

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don't know if they're entities I'm not

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even sure we can know you know maybe

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that's a bad thing to say that we could

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know things about how it manifests and

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where it will manifest even if you use

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the cipher that I but in complete secret

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so I've read you've not and have

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demonstrated myself to my own

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satisfaction anyway I want other people

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to do their own experiments and either

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validate or disconfirm you know my

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approach to it but I think that a

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certain tiny percentage of the people

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that come into communication I'm

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avoiding the word contact cuz it has

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different connotations down with this

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what's it actually become interactive

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with it grow into it and become what the

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BS RA which is the longest-standing

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organization that looks at these things

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and started out with me d'Alene at the

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helm who was both a proto you follow

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gist and a well-read occultus concluded

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that there are Guardians there are

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beings who are sort of the equivalent of

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in Eastern Buddhist legend and lore body

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senses that is beings who start out as

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ordinary human being

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just like D and me or at least thee I my

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doubts about me and gradually through

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various stages ascend into communion

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with thee

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whatever the ones that may be singular

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or plural and choose not to leave us

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here but rather become our tutelary

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beings and guardians and that is the

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term that in its early days in the 1940s

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that need lighted that the SRA used thus

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his book the coming of the Guardians and

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there are different names the secret

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sheets of the third order which is the

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term that you hear in the cults we used

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to hear a lot in occult circles now it's

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ground on because it's not PC you know

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that's the way our world operates if you

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don't play by the current rules then

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you're considered an outsider or a

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radical or whatever it is well I'm out

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so I am radical but that's neither here

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nor there I'm a fearless because I'm old

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so what are they gonna do it's the

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advantage of age I mean I actually I've

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been involved in all of this work since

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1960 and that's a good deal more than 35

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years but I can't count that high

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anymore because you know design starts

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to go and 60 or 65 or something too but

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I'll try to bring it back from the myths

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of the fog of mine and what has happened

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in the last several months if I may say

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so is what I had hoped would happen when

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the late Ron bonds and alumina oppressed

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was good enough to give me my first

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break as a book I mean I had lots of

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articles published but secret cypher was

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the first commercial book that I wrote

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and I expected that people would take up

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the cipher go gosh Wow let me try this

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because we feel is clearly wrong find

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out that the cipher actually

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works in terms of predictive behavior

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which is one of the missing scientific

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elements in paranormal research at

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ufology and guns floor in cryptid

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research these things in field research

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and anything getting exact circumstances

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to reproduce themselves is very hard but

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of course in laboratory experiments if

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what you're dealing with is the real

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McCoy it's relatively easy so the

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scientific formulation is that you don't

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credit it if it isn't reproducible and

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it doesn't mean you can't grab a

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headline but if you want recognition in

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the scientific sense you have to be a

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little reproduced the original

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experiment well my argument was if you

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use the cipher on key cases that is

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those that produce a strange name or a

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strange for planetary unquote origin

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then you're going to be able to predict

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the next big case and I had anticipated

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that people would take this up if only

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to disprove it and then get amazed or

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amused depending on their results it

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didn't happen that way people in America

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today and keep in mind lead book was

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coming out more or less at the time that

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people were I don't know what turn to

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use tubing into the area for the first

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time and getting the first primitive

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cell phones and of course they had been

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watching junk television since before I

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was born which is kind of scary and

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they're spectators for the most part I'm

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not disrespecting anyone that's

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something that has been thrust upon

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people look at the ball hole and not at

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the reality I remember in a cartoon

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which shows the father and son sitting

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in front of the TV father has his arm

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around this son and they're watching a

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sunrise on TV

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but you can see behind them a window

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where the real Sun is really rising it

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raises questions why don't we look out

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that window

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you know and he says and I thought yeah

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there you go

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they want me to do the hard work so for

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a long time people would say well prove

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it I said work with the cipher and you

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tell me if you find no results they get

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up look and I'll own up to it

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if you find really good results as I

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suspect you will coming up to that and

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that's what I'm trying to do but fast

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forward food several observations which

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when they were out of print

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sold for exorbitant sums of money as any

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number of my books tab the book I wrote

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on the quayside Masonic Rite of Memphis

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or if you prefer the Masonic write of

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Memphis or if you really prefer just the

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right of Memphis when it laid out of

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print in the original edition the way

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these things work for you people that

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are not in the writing or publishing

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game is that once it gives out a Fred

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and comes part of the secondary market

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from the rare book stores or whatever

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the price goes way up but the original

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author gets nothing that's how the Three

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Stooges wound up in the old actors home

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they fail to give residuals on any of

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the things that you see so if you enjoy

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the Stooges feel them yes yes publishing

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and entertainment they are dirty games

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and so when you talk about the occultus

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or the groups who work with these

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entities and the ciphers you write about

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how they become intertwined with the

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phenomena itself and that is a big part

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of the Hellyer series is a big part of

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the Mothman saga things get messy and

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the synchronicities can get so potent

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that you think you're going crazy but

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then you say the fully illuminated are

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in control of reality to the extent that

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the myth

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those itself is in control they also in

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a very real sense acquire its

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intangibility and that's very

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provocative and I hoped we could maybe

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elaborate on that what does it mean to

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acquire its intangibility

401
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well I don't think that those people

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that start out as people and wind up

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being guardians or secret chiefs or that

404
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now very debatable archaic term the

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great white Brotherhood when I think

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about that I think of guys whose feats

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over their heads dancing around a

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burning cross so that is not not what I

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think Madame Blavatsky headed although

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one wonders at times but you're no

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longer dealing with human beings in the

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three-dimensional sense you're dealing

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with advanced beings who choose to be

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guardians of humanity not go on to

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higher things which since I'm still here

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I can't really describe except to say

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that you've become totally part of the

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phenomena itself and what form it takes

419
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I think is probably a matter of choice

420
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more than anything else whether it's up

421
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big hairy skunk ape that appears and

422
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disappears in the same way as a UFO

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might appear in disappear or ghosts or

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apparitions or religious apparition or

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any of those things that's a matter of

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something resembling choice now for us

427
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that are on this side of the wall that

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appears to be either depending on one's

429
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orientation a religious phenomena or a

430
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magical phenomena or something that is

431
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just totally inexplicable but I have a

432
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hunch that it follows those rules and

433
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takes forms that are designed to

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accomplish something

435
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the thing is when

436
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you are attempting to understand that

437
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phenomena you gradually get immersed in

438
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it and the way you know you're getting

439
00:21:41,790 --> 00:21:38,170
immersed in it is that the number of

440
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synchronicities that happen in your life

441
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and around you increase incrementally as

442
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you get closer and closer to whatever

443
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the ones that may be

444
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and what I started to say was the thing

445
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that did not happen we the original

446
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version of secret cipher came out but

447
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what is certainly happening

448
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synchronously with the complete secret

449
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cipher the you phenoms

450
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is that the impact of the planet weird

451
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people's Hellyer experience which is the

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most authentic documentary I have ever

453
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seen of a field investigation is miles

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and miles and kilometers and kilometers

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for those listening in Europe that ahead

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of ordinary understanding of these

457
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:39,800
manifestations I groped for words

458
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because I'm just as in theoretical

459
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physics it gets beyond words very

460
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quickly but the hell your crew people

461
00:22:55,270 --> 00:22:51,470
from Planet weird have documented how a

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field investigation actually goes I can

463
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say that with great confidence because

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I've done it quite a number of field

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investigations myself sometimes they

466
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produce really dramatic results and

467
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sometimes they seem produce no results

468
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at all except that synchronicities

469
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happen all over once you get on the half

470
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you will find things happening that are

471
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very strange and the weird things that

472
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happen where Hellyer was concerned is

473
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they're filming it for real in something

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like real time and these synchronicities

475
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begin to happen I think there's one is

476
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particularly spectacular in fact it's

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part of my daily over wordy Facebook

478
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post today by synchronicity or

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coincidence if you believe there are

480
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such things as coincidences

481
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it's the similarity between what

482
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happened in healthier to one of the

483
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experiences I believe it was Connor

484
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Randall and the quasi mythical quest for

485
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the Holy Grail

486
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they're heavy I probably will mangle the

487
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session a bit so if they happen to be

488
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listening my apology for doing my own

489
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version of it especially to Connor but

490
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he was doing what I would call scribe

491
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that is the default background I have

492
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that's the term that comes to mind using

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I believe a spirit box which I've never

494
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used but I've used similar devices so I

495
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I know the drill you're cut off from

496
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those around you but they ask questions

497
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you can't hear the questions but you do

498
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hear the voices that the spirit box

499
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produces by doing something equivalent

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to a police scanner on those people who

501
00:25:01,869 --> 00:24:58,389
like to listen to pilots and cops and

502
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hospital workers and so forth but they

503
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are eerily responsive in other words the

504
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person scrying doesn't even hear your

505
00:25:14,229 --> 00:25:11,450
questions but they sometimes and

506
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frequently and more than chance one loud

507
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give specific answers but color

508
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I believe it was color is scrying and

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giving full rather specific answers

510
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sitting on a porch in Hellyer kentucky

511
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or near and your kentucky in a cabin

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that they had i presume rented and not

513
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crashed in and suddenly he gets a vision

514
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of a tin cup which is totally a non

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sequitur to what they were doing at what

516
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they were accomplishing except that a

517
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few days later i presume the entire crew

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is at least all who were there go out to

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this abandoned mineshaft which is also

520
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interestingly enough connected to the

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enormous cave system that runs under

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kentucky and on into West Virginia

523
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following the entire route of a bunch of

524
00:26:21,850 --> 00:26:19,519
very strange phenomena that have from

525
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Mothman to the famous Kentucky

526
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case of the 1950's so it's you know it's

527
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a high incidence area they go into this

528
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mine shaft almost at cave because it's

529
00:26:40,150 --> 00:26:36,770
connected to caves and they only go

530
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really in this particular expedition

531
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into the lip of the cave mine shaft

532
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which was fine with me because my advice

533
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:50,450
to them post facto was you guys should

534
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get helmets and lights and maybe carry

535
00:27:00,220 --> 00:26:57,320
some water with you and maybe have

536
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:00,230
somebody who stays outside because speed

537
00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:04,690
liking is any specialty unto itself and

538
00:27:09,629 --> 00:27:07,370
I want them all to be healthy and happy

539
00:27:12,569 --> 00:27:09,639
in any case

540
00:27:14,749 --> 00:27:12,579
what I derive from what was going on

541
00:27:20,609 --> 00:27:14,759
with them in that particular location

542
00:27:24,139 --> 00:27:20,619
was there was a teenager graffiti all

543
00:27:27,299 --> 00:27:24,149
over the walls there wasn't trash on the

544
00:27:31,859 --> 00:27:27,309
floor and that tells me that whichever

545
00:27:36,089 --> 00:27:31,869
of the many entrances to other where

546
00:27:39,810 --> 00:27:36,099
that you may find in the Kentucky in

547
00:27:42,930 --> 00:27:39,820
West Virginia which have to do with the

548
00:27:45,419 --> 00:27:42,940
fact that the coal industry has been in

549
00:27:47,310 --> 00:27:45,429
decline some of us would say that's a

550
00:27:51,109 --> 00:27:47,320
good thing but not good for the people

551
00:27:54,690 --> 00:27:51,119
that wind up unemployed these towns are

552
00:27:56,879 --> 00:27:54,700
classical Appalachian or and it

553
00:27:58,889 --> 00:27:56,889
continued to be so they haven't really

554
00:28:02,699 --> 00:27:58,899
come up since the Great Depression or

555
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:02,709
the last Great Depression in any case it

556
00:28:10,409 --> 00:28:06,690
looked like they were in an untapped

557
00:28:12,899 --> 00:28:10,419
location and there I believe Conner

558
00:28:16,019 --> 00:28:12,909
himself found it although it's on camera

559
00:28:22,230 --> 00:28:16,029
so nobody was following anything there

560
00:28:27,180 --> 00:28:24,690
that was interesting enough in and of

561
00:28:30,210 --> 00:28:27,190
itself just call it a synchronicity but

562
00:28:32,910 --> 00:28:30,220
it occurred to me that if you strip it

563
00:28:36,570 --> 00:28:32,920
to the bones the legend of the search

564
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:36,580
for the Holy Grail is identical to what

565
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:38,410
was going on there first there's the

566
00:28:44,130 --> 00:28:40,960
vision of the Grail which is unexpected

567
00:28:45,910 --> 00:28:44,140
and then they find it well how's a tin

568
00:28:48,180 --> 00:28:45,920
cup agree

569
00:28:52,450 --> 00:28:48,190
first of all there is a great deal of

570
00:28:56,060 --> 00:28:52,460
controversy in traditional religious

571
00:28:59,330 --> 00:28:56,070
circles about what the

572
00:29:02,330 --> 00:28:59,340
actual if there was an actual Holy Grail

573
00:29:06,499 --> 00:29:02,340
was like was it one of these elaborate

574
00:29:10,729 --> 00:29:06,509
chalices that you see in cottage

575
00:29:13,090 --> 00:29:10,739
churches or what would you expect from a

576
00:29:15,769 --> 00:29:13,100
poor carpenter and his four companions

577
00:29:20,599 --> 00:29:15,779
having their last dinner together in

578
00:29:24,590 --> 00:29:20,609
Jerusalem circa 32 C it would be either

579
00:29:28,999 --> 00:29:24,600
a ceramic or a tin cup and I did a

580
00:29:31,849 --> 00:29:29,009
little research and found a tin cup from

581
00:29:34,519 --> 00:29:31,859
the first century that was identical to

582
00:29:36,229 --> 00:29:34,529
the at least in the photographs I

583
00:29:40,180 --> 00:29:36,239
haven't seen it in person than I

584
00:29:43,159 --> 00:29:40,190
intended to the cup that they found and

585
00:29:46,719 --> 00:29:43,169
that duplicated the one that kamar

586
00:29:49,339 --> 00:29:46,729
envisioned and if I can say something

587
00:29:50,659 --> 00:29:49,349
slightly controversial but not meant to

588
00:29:55,719 --> 00:29:50,669
make anyone uncomfortable

589
00:29:58,609 --> 00:29:55,729
I believe that Connor Randle is the only

590
00:30:01,369 --> 00:29:58,619
devout Roman Catholic among the people

591
00:30:04,249 --> 00:30:01,379
involved in the group so it's a perfect

592
00:30:06,859 --> 00:30:04,259
match a perfect set of synchronicities

593
00:30:09,469 --> 00:30:06,869
and is consistent with what i have found

594
00:30:11,930 --> 00:30:09,479
the mythological element that draws

595
00:30:14,659 --> 00:30:11,940
people into the phenomena that i've seen

596
00:30:17,509 --> 00:30:14,669
year after year after year all the way

597
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:17,519
back to the 1960s without done field

598
00:30:22,820 --> 00:30:20,159
investigations myself then give you one

599
00:30:25,729 --> 00:30:22,830
example if I may sir or am I talking too

600
00:30:28,780 --> 00:30:25,739
much now go for it okay let me think

601
00:30:30,910 --> 00:30:28,790
about it for just a second sure

602
00:30:34,030 --> 00:30:30,920
actually a lot I was taking a drink of

603
00:30:34,540 --> 00:30:34,040
water so that my voice stays young at

604
00:30:37,180 --> 00:30:34,550
heart

605
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:37,190
I noticed it starts the older you get

606
00:30:41,170 --> 00:30:38,960
the more there's gravel in your voice

607
00:30:45,700 --> 00:30:41,180
and finally you turn into Bill Clinton

608
00:30:48,130 --> 00:30:45,710
to disappear yeah or worse Babe Ruth you

609
00:30:50,620 --> 00:30:48,140
know I'm bad this boy sounds what it

610
00:30:52,900 --> 00:30:50,630
feels just as bad I shouldn't do that or

611
00:30:55,210 --> 00:30:52,910
I'll be talking that way all day where

612
00:30:57,310 --> 00:30:55,220
was I an example of synchronicity

613
00:31:01,120 --> 00:30:57,320
outside of what we saw in hell here with

614
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:01,130
the tin cup okay one thank you I need

615
00:31:05,290 --> 00:31:03,050
you to follow me around and would I have

616
00:31:07,150 --> 00:31:05,300
those senior moments you need to whisper

617
00:31:14,110 --> 00:31:07,160
in my ear what you were talking about

618
00:31:18,700 --> 00:31:14,120
Allen was where is the restroom happy to

619
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:18,710
do so so one of the field investigations

620
00:31:24,820 --> 00:31:21,650
that I did rather thoroughly was in the

621
00:31:27,940 --> 00:31:24,830
late 1960s actually I can dated exactly

622
00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:27,950
because Linux kernel of is the brown

623
00:31:33,669 --> 00:31:31,120
mountain wives leach

624
00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:33,679
fascinating though the lights themselves

625
00:31:43,140 --> 00:31:39,200
are and in fact that even becomes a sort

626
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:43,150
of secondary focus in the Hellyer

627
00:31:51,700 --> 00:31:48,080
documentary if one goes to look for the

628
00:31:57,070 --> 00:31:51,710
lights one finds any number of really

629
00:31:59,350 --> 00:31:57,080
really good UFO or UFO type cases in the

630
00:32:04,000 --> 00:31:59,360
vicinity of Brown Mountain North

631
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:04,010
Carolina and I have been on two

632
00:32:09,250 --> 00:32:07,010
expeditions that started out looking for

633
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:09,260
the lights and wound up interviewing in

634
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:12,650
one case a person who I think qualifies

635
00:32:19,900 --> 00:32:16,640
the classical contact II and in other

636
00:32:22,390 --> 00:32:19,910
cases very close I believe that would be

637
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:22,400
called type 2 encounters by the nuts and

638
00:32:29,980 --> 00:32:25,970
bolts ufology people that is seeing

639
00:32:32,669 --> 00:32:29,990
things up close without actually doing

640
00:32:36,270 --> 00:32:32,679
anything that would involve

641
00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:36,280
communication with the phenomenon the

642
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:40,640
guy who ran back in the day the our

643
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:44,730
space rock shop Museum

644
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:49,650
had a story to tell us his outer space

645
00:32:56,930 --> 00:32:54,090
rock shop museum was on the uphill from

646
00:32:59,810 --> 00:32:56,940
the official viewing place which is

647
00:33:04,250 --> 00:32:59,820
probably the worst place to look for the

648
00:33:08,390 --> 00:33:04,260
Brown Mountain lights and this guy was a

649
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:08,400
classical contact he now he was a

650
00:33:17,450 --> 00:33:13,530
backwoods good old boy and I don't know

651
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:17,460
what you know from the far-off Island of

652
00:33:26,659 --> 00:33:22,080
San Diego or a future Island as the case

653
00:33:29,419 --> 00:33:26,669
may be but a good old boy is not likely

654
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:29,429
to have been schooled in classical

655
00:33:35,510 --> 00:33:32,970
mythology or binary and opera it's just

656
00:33:39,169 --> 00:33:35,520
not part of their thing in fact this guy

657
00:33:43,010 --> 00:33:39,179
was an old moonshiner who had settled on

658
00:33:44,750 --> 00:33:43,020
which was not uncommon in that neck of

659
00:33:51,380 --> 00:33:44,760
the woods

660
00:33:54,020 --> 00:33:51,390
and name was Ralph lael la piel he did

661
00:33:57,230 --> 00:33:54,030
write a sort of book which he handed to

662
00:34:01,040 --> 00:33:57,240
us as long as we had it in a dollar and

663
00:34:02,730 --> 00:34:01,050
it details the story that is more or

664
00:34:05,930 --> 00:34:02,740
less

665
00:34:11,100 --> 00:34:05,940
again stripped to the bare bones

666
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:17,040
ten houses medievals actual light has a

667
00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:20,290
whole mythos surrounding him seduction

668
00:34:25,950 --> 00:34:23,440
by the goddess Venus and who descends

669
00:34:30,450 --> 00:34:25,960
into the venusberg the mountain of Venus

670
00:34:35,010 --> 00:34:30,460
and sort of betrays his Knightly oaths

671
00:34:38,830 --> 00:34:35,020
by indulging himself among these naked

672
00:34:46,570 --> 00:34:38,840
beings inside which he claims

673
00:34:49,540 --> 00:34:46,580
he was taken to the inside of Brown

674
00:34:53,020 --> 00:34:49,550
mountain and then whisked off to the

675
00:34:56,980 --> 00:34:53,030
planet Venus where everyone went around

676
00:34:59,100 --> 00:34:56,990
naked and I don't know what else they

677
00:35:01,390 --> 00:34:59,110
did because of the short book but

678
00:35:04,750 --> 00:35:01,400
channelizing Lee enough they were not

679
00:35:11,380 --> 00:35:04,760
native to the list they had come there

680
00:35:14,110 --> 00:35:11,390
from a lost planet called T WOM and of

681
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:14,120
course when you use the secret cypher a

682
00:35:23,740 --> 00:35:17,570
word like people on this too good to not

683
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:23,750
analyze in any case his story

684
00:35:32,510 --> 00:35:28,290
involving the planet Venus you find in

685
00:35:35,150 --> 00:35:32,520
the story from the medieval sagas that

686
00:35:38,690 --> 00:35:35,160
the night gets seduced by the goddess

687
00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:38,700
Venus and goes into the venusberg which

688
00:35:46,970 --> 00:35:43,110
is filled with these separate naked

689
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:46,980
fairies who are all seductive and he has

690
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:49,770
a displacement in time and when he comes

691
00:35:56,380 --> 00:35:53,490
out he needs to repent from all that

692
00:36:00,770 --> 00:35:56,390
well that's Lael story in a nutshell

693
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:00,780
except instead of the goddess Venus you

694
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:02,970
substitute the planet Venus and the

695
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:06,570
story is the same story so the question

696
00:36:12,970 --> 00:36:10,050
arose with me is it at all possible that

697
00:36:16,730 --> 00:36:12,980
this guy has read some version of this

698
00:36:19,580 --> 00:36:16,740
and this is me in the 1960s you know 19

699
00:36:23,359 --> 00:36:19,590
I think I'll ask my mom was there was

700
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:23,369
Christmas Eve 1968 I remember it well

701
00:36:31,790 --> 00:36:28,170
because I was there with Tim Beckley mr.

702
00:36:35,180 --> 00:36:31,800
UFO as he likes to style himself and the

703
00:36:39,170 --> 00:36:35,190
late great and good friend of mine Jim

704
00:36:42,530 --> 00:36:39,180
Mosely and Jim's at that time very young

705
00:36:45,380 --> 00:36:42,540
daughter Benny and I had the thought

706
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:45,390
when we went all the way up to the best

707
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:47,760
view spot you could possibly have to see

708
00:36:52,820 --> 00:36:49,680
the Brown Mountain lights after

709
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:52,830
interviewing Lael I thought this is a

710
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:55,200
hell of a way for a twelve-year-old girl

711
00:36:58,820 --> 00:36:57,210
to be spending Christmas Eve but I

712
00:37:02,210 --> 00:36:58,830
didn't say anything because I didn't

713
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:02,220
want to create me you know he bad vibes

714
00:37:10,370 --> 00:37:06,000
with Jim Mosely not a person you wanted

715
00:37:11,859 --> 00:37:10,380
to bad vibes with but getting back to a

716
00:37:15,730 --> 00:37:11,869
male

717
00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:15,740
that Christmas Eve which is also the

718
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:17,710
occasion of the first

719
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:20,130
circumlunar

720
00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:23,930
astronauts reading from the Bible which

721
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:27,200
the Genesis one I think it was

722
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:30,690
appropriately enough and then we got

723
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:33,570
back to our hotel with Tim Beckley's

724
00:37:37,850 --> 00:37:36,000
room he turned on the TV so we couldn't

725
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:37,860
hear him calling his mother or something

726
00:37:43,390 --> 00:37:39,890
I don't know and

727
00:37:46,420 --> 00:37:43,400
and showing a live picture from the

728
00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:46,430
orbit around the moon and one of the

729
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:49,250
astronauts was reading Genesis and my

730
00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:52,130
first reaction was oh god something has

731
00:37:56,740 --> 00:37:53,839
gone wrong and they're caught in orbit

732
00:38:00,700 --> 00:37:56,750
around the moon forever but and this was

733
00:38:02,710 --> 00:38:00,710
not the case it was kind of a I don't

734
00:38:05,319 --> 00:38:02,720
know if you call it a stunt let's say it

735
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:05,329
was something that they gnashed a ritual

736
00:38:10,750 --> 00:38:08,960
maybe yeah and that's a better than what

737
00:38:13,630 --> 00:38:10,760
I was but it's lace that will go with

738
00:38:16,539 --> 00:38:13,640
ritual that NASA cooked up to make

739
00:38:20,259 --> 00:38:16,549
everyone back home not think that we

740
00:38:22,930 --> 00:38:20,269
were violating God's holy space because

741
00:38:27,039 --> 00:38:22,940
this man was meant to go to the moon God

742
00:38:32,180 --> 00:38:27,049
would have given us a ladder right yes

743
00:38:38,780 --> 00:38:32,190
but in any case beginning back to Leo

744
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:38,790
that story in 1968 is clearly a parallel

745
00:38:45,470 --> 00:38:43,290
to the mythos of the venusberg and that

746
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:45,480
puts Brown Mountain in the same category

747
00:38:52,099 --> 00:38:48,170
as the venusberg a place where the

748
00:38:56,990 --> 00:38:52,109
goblins and fairies lurk waiting to

749
00:39:02,030 --> 00:38:57,000
seduce the unwary and how on earth does

750
00:39:04,099 --> 00:39:02,040
a backwoods moonshiner get that now my

751
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:04,109
synchronicity following that was the

752
00:39:11,780 --> 00:39:07,890
next day some vantablack shows up at my

753
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:11,790
room door somehow or other i think

754
00:39:18,260 --> 00:39:14,130
that's one of the very very few times

755
00:39:21,319 --> 00:39:18,270
that something was done to me because

756
00:39:25,250 --> 00:39:21,329
under most circumstances even back then

757
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:25,260
i would immediately ask who are you and

758
00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:27,690
how did you know where my room was and

759
00:39:33,170 --> 00:39:30,480
that I'm involved with Ralph Lela

760
00:39:36,740 --> 00:39:33,180
instead I invited the guy in

761
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:36,750
well-dressed middle-aged dark suit of

762
00:39:43,089 --> 00:39:39,810
course and he proceeds to dump on Ralph

763
00:39:45,530 --> 00:39:43,099
whale and warned me about his

764
00:39:48,740 --> 00:39:45,540
dangerousness blah blah blah blah blah

765
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:48,750
none of which made any sense to me told

766
00:39:55,849 --> 00:39:51,359
me well we'll be in touch and he left

767
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:55,859
and like within a minute or so the spell

768
00:40:01,160 --> 00:39:58,800
was over and I thought why didn't I ask

769
00:40:04,099 --> 00:40:01,170
him for a business card why didn't I ask

770
00:40:07,180 --> 00:40:04,109
him how did you know I was here that I

771
00:40:10,849 --> 00:40:07,190
was visiting Leo and what was your

772
00:40:13,460 --> 00:40:10,859
possible motive for dumping on whale to

773
00:40:16,819 --> 00:40:13,470
me but that never occurred to me as long

774
00:40:19,010 --> 00:40:16,829
as he was there and in all these years

775
00:40:21,890 --> 00:40:19,020
that I've been involved in this stuff

776
00:40:24,109 --> 00:40:21,900
that's happened to me maybe three times

777
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:24,119
and the other times were much more

778
00:40:30,349 --> 00:40:27,599
Monday one was that argument that we

779
00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:30,359
won't get into with a guy now deceased

780
00:40:36,020 --> 00:40:33,680
who was had been a high-level

781
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:36,030
Scientologist who had the drug problems

782
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:37,770
when they kicked him out you know

783
00:40:43,130 --> 00:40:41,040
kicking somebody out doesn't mean that

784
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:43,140
they lose their skills right and he

785
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:45,810
looted me I mean I have who do the

786
00:40:52,460 --> 00:40:48,480
people when you know circumstances were

787
00:40:54,559 --> 00:40:52,470
absolutely life or death but this guy

788
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:54,569
threw me into believing something about

789
00:41:01,460 --> 00:40:57,930
him that simply wasn't true and I didn't

790
00:41:03,670 --> 00:41:01,470
wake up from that so to speak for months

791
00:41:06,620 --> 00:41:03,680
afterwards and only because I had

792
00:41:09,490 --> 00:41:06,630
recorded him on tape saying the opposite

793
00:41:11,710 --> 00:41:09,500
of what I had come to believe because

794
00:41:16,809 --> 00:41:11,720
the best thing I can say about

795
00:41:19,309 --> 00:41:16,819
Scientology is that its techniques work

796
00:41:22,900 --> 00:41:19,319
the worst thing I could say about

797
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:22,910
Scientology is that its techniques work

798
00:41:26,660 --> 00:41:24,720
Touche Touche

799
00:41:29,150 --> 00:41:26,670
men great stories those are great

800
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:29,160
examples of how the mythos works and how

801
00:41:34,460 --> 00:41:32,250
these archetypes overlap in different

802
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:34,470
stories and different times and spaces

803
00:41:38,510 --> 00:41:37,440
and that's also a very kind of classic

804
00:41:42,319 --> 00:41:38,520
thing with the men in black encounter

805
00:41:44,540 --> 00:41:42,329
this kind of trance state that seems to

806
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:44,550
come over a person and man time is

807
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:46,890
really flying by here and I wanted to

808
00:41:51,620 --> 00:41:48,480
ask you about some things that you have

809
00:41:53,570 --> 00:41:51,630
in the book as it is just so deep and

810
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:53,580
when it comes to

811
00:41:57,770 --> 00:41:56,160
the back-and-forth with these beans and

812
00:42:02,030 --> 00:41:57,780
the groups of people that are involved

813
00:42:04,310 --> 00:42:02,040
in contact on both sides you write often

814
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:04,320
when a person or institution allied with

815
00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:06,480
the historical great white brotherhood

816
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:08,730
again problematic term but you know the

817
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:11,970
light side approaches success or comes

818
00:42:17,090 --> 00:42:14,160
into possession of certain aspects of

819
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:17,100
transcendent wisdom something intervenes

820
00:42:22,910 --> 00:42:20,010
that something has been identified as

821
00:42:25,850 --> 00:42:22,920
the man in black the men in black the

822
00:42:27,980 --> 00:42:25,860
black lodges or the black lodge that

823
00:42:31,100 --> 00:42:27,990
they need to do this and that they often

824
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:31,110
fail in their efforts is itself an

825
00:42:36,350 --> 00:42:33,930
indication that a the black lodge is

826
00:42:39,260 --> 00:42:36,360
opposed by something else equally as

827
00:42:41,930 --> 00:42:39,270
strong and B they are afraid of

828
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:41,940
something we might find out about them

829
00:42:48,380 --> 00:42:44,640
about their opposition about ourselves

830
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:48,390
or all three and of course it's been a

831
00:42:52,940 --> 00:42:50,610
while since you wrote this but can you

832
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:52,950
elaborate on those indications what do

833
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:55,410
you think they might be afraid that we'd

834
00:42:59,840 --> 00:42:57,330
find out it does seem like there's

835
00:43:02,150 --> 00:42:59,850
something special about people we're

836
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:02,160
fearful of them but they also seem to

837
00:43:07,730 --> 00:43:05,850
have this weird curiosity about us or

838
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:07,740
there's something there's something odd

839
00:43:12,260 --> 00:43:09,810
about that dynamic and I'm just curious

840
00:43:14,890 --> 00:43:12,270
if you could elaborate on on what you

841
00:43:18,290 --> 00:43:14,900
think is is going on there with this

842
00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:18,300
relationship yeah I should say that

843
00:43:24,460 --> 00:43:20,250
because I've started to say it a couple

844
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:24,470
of times we wandered away from it that

845
00:43:31,340 --> 00:43:28,530
septuagenarian way but after tenure

846
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:31,350
appeared first on Amazon and then on

847
00:43:38,130 --> 00:43:35,130
YouTube for free for nothing well not

848
00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:38,140
for nothing but free

849
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:40,240
the very thing that I had hoped that

850
00:43:44,700 --> 00:43:42,250
would happen 20 years earlier has been

851
00:43:46,340 --> 00:43:44,710
happening which is people have been

852
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:46,350
having

853
00:43:53,740 --> 00:43:49,200
a large number of synchronicities have

854
00:43:57,980 --> 00:43:53,750
been getting Co participation in the

855
00:44:02,450 --> 00:43:57,990
ritual that held your is and it's spread

856
00:44:05,770 --> 00:44:02,460
out like ways it also has increased

857
00:44:08,510 --> 00:44:05,780
dramatically the book sales food

858
00:44:11,690 --> 00:44:08,520
complete secrets I for the infinites and

859
00:44:13,610 --> 00:44:11,700
that you know that's good for me but I

860
00:44:17,330 --> 00:44:13,620
think it's ultimately good for the

861
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:17,340
public because people for once or eating

862
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:20,490
off of their chairs and are motivated

863
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:23,280
perhaps because founder is so motivating

864
00:44:30,500 --> 00:44:27,450
to do their own investigations so it

865
00:44:33,890 --> 00:44:30,510
didn't mean to change the subject it's

866
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:33,900
not really a change I asked myself then

867
00:44:40,289 --> 00:44:38,170
and got my answer a lot later

868
00:44:44,789 --> 00:44:40,299
first of all I do Express into the boat

869
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:44,799
I believe that black lodges

870
00:44:55,539 --> 00:44:48,890
haven't always been black

871
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:55,549
they are high-level magicians who know a

872
00:45:00,749 --> 00:44:58,130
great deal about the phenomena and how

873
00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:00,759
to manipulate it and how to become it

874
00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:04,730
who had suddenly in their career

875
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:08,720
war a monopoly on truth and at that

876
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:11,210
point at that crucial point instead of

877
00:45:17,530 --> 00:45:13,520
being the sharing that I described in

878
00:45:21,010 --> 00:45:17,540
the guardians or the great white

879
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:21,020
Brotherhood so-called or the secret

880
00:45:28,089 --> 00:45:23,930
chiefs of the third order

881
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:28,099
they decide to obfuscate and to keep

882
00:45:37,970 --> 00:45:35,930
once they make that decision whether

883
00:45:42,380 --> 00:45:37,980
it's a conscious decision or whether

884
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:42,390
it's just slowly incrementally coming

885
00:45:48,110 --> 00:45:45,810
into being and some ill-defined point

886
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:48,120
they've become a black lodge and start

887
00:45:52,700 --> 00:45:49,170
fighting dirty

888
00:45:57,470 --> 00:45:52,710
and deflecting attention from the real

889
00:46:01,280 --> 00:45:57,480
McCoy to what that guy I think was doing

890
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:01,290
to me in North Carolina which is

891
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:04,170
trying to discourage me from taking an

892
00:46:08,900 --> 00:46:06,330
interest in the Lael case and seeing it

893
00:46:11,660 --> 00:46:08,910
for what it is he failed but not without

894
00:46:14,180 --> 00:46:11,670
having manipulated you that was low

895
00:46:16,220 --> 00:46:14,190
level that was what Aleister Crowley

896
00:46:18,170 --> 00:46:16,230
called a black brother which doesn't

897
00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:18,180
necessarily exhibit him from the same

898
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:23,730
label to being a black Lodge which is a

899
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:27,570
community of these higher beings that

900
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:31,290
have turned towards the dark side of the

901
00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:34,410
force what was that from a dark side of

902
00:46:40,430 --> 00:46:38,730
the horse I think humor is the only

903
00:46:42,980 --> 00:46:40,440
thing that keeps you saying in this work

904
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:42,990
that's the parenthetic thing that I I do

905
00:46:50,660 --> 00:46:46,560
that often leaves people suspecting that

906
00:46:52,730 --> 00:46:50,670
I'm amused by all this which I I am and

907
00:46:55,340 --> 00:46:52,740
I'm not because I think that it is a

908
00:46:58,640 --> 00:46:55,350
life or death struggle for the future of

909
00:47:01,890 --> 00:46:58,650
humanity which is nothing to sneeze that

910
00:47:05,460 --> 00:47:01,900
all right but

911
00:47:08,370 --> 00:47:05,470
I always wondered how does that happen

912
00:47:12,620 --> 00:47:08,380
that people who start out on the same

913
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:12,630
path that winds up the ascended masters

914
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:16,330
protective of humanity at some point

915
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:23,880
I saw it personally in the alleged

916
00:47:32,310 --> 00:47:27,970
ancient order of antiquity which I spent

917
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:32,320
20 years in and I'm not going to specify

918
00:47:40,740 --> 00:47:36,570
in this context but I saw it by degrees

919
00:47:43,550 --> 00:47:40,750
kind of intended turned dark and it

920
00:47:48,380 --> 00:47:43,560
turned dark because it became cultic and

921
00:47:52,890 --> 00:47:48,390
jealous of its specialness instead of as

922
00:47:55,620 --> 00:47:52,900
we free aluminous say sharing and Co

923
00:47:59,490 --> 00:47:55,630
participating in illumination with the

924
00:48:02,640 --> 00:47:59,500
rest of humanity and it just can happen

925
00:48:05,310 --> 00:48:02,650
power corrupts absolute power corrupts

926
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:05,320
absolutely if an organization is

927
00:48:10,550 --> 00:48:07,690
top-heavy it will tend in that direction

928
00:48:15,420 --> 00:48:10,560
if it has no

929
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:15,430
Supreme Leader's or Supreme dogmatic

930
00:48:21,180 --> 00:48:18,490
rules it's much less likely to happen

931
00:48:24,660 --> 00:48:21,190
but the dark side of the force from

932
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:24,670
using Lucas's term

933
00:48:33,029 --> 00:48:29,200
is very seductive yes and how deep do

934
00:48:35,930 --> 00:48:33,039
you think these black lodges or this

935
00:48:38,940 --> 00:48:35,940
dark side of the force this men in black

936
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:38,950
phenomenon is attached to you how deeply

937
00:48:44,190 --> 00:48:41,680
embedded in government or military

938
00:48:45,930 --> 00:48:44,200
intelligence do you think these lodges

939
00:48:49,500 --> 00:48:45,940
are I mean having looked at this stuff

940
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:49,510
since the 60s man there's a lot of crazy

941
00:48:55,859 --> 00:48:52,930
stuff through the 60s 70s 80s and now of

942
00:48:57,059 --> 00:48:55,869
course to the Stars Academy basically

943
00:48:59,579 --> 00:48:57,069
has come out of this Military

944
00:49:01,519 --> 00:48:59,589
Intelligence Nexus and I'm just curious

945
00:49:03,870 --> 00:49:01,529
your thoughts on on that because

946
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:03,880
politics and the government is obviously

947
00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:07,450
a third rail here and if these lodges

948
00:49:13,230 --> 00:49:10,960
are so illuminated as to have all this

949
00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:13,240
insight that you know the common man or

950
00:49:18,180 --> 00:49:15,250
even the common politician wouldn't have

951
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:18,190
how in control are these lodges of of

952
00:49:24,750 --> 00:49:20,640
culture and of the general narrative I

953
00:49:27,299 --> 00:49:24,760
think of the general narrative only in

954
00:49:32,130 --> 00:49:27,309
that kind of secondary way that all of

955
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:32,140
these quote history like unquote

956
00:49:39,390 --> 00:49:35,850
TV programs many of which I've been on

957
00:49:41,589 --> 00:49:39,400
that supposedly involve investigations

958
00:49:46,329 --> 00:49:41,599
of

959
00:49:51,789 --> 00:49:46,339
government projects devoted to UFOs or

960
00:49:55,279 --> 00:49:51,799
strange phenomena or ghosts or whatever

961
00:49:57,439 --> 00:49:55,289
are not and they really put people on

962
00:50:00,499 --> 00:49:57,449
the wrong track red herrings

963
00:50:03,049 --> 00:50:00,509
yeah and I'm prepared to say that I

964
00:50:06,979 --> 00:50:03,059
personally believe with a couple of

965
00:50:10,459 --> 00:50:06,989
exceptions the notion that the

966
00:50:15,529 --> 00:50:10,469
government yes no specification beyond

967
00:50:20,089 --> 00:50:15,539
that is in possession of more of the

968
00:50:24,319 --> 00:50:20,099
real McCoy secrets than planet weird

969
00:50:28,209 --> 00:50:24,329
people is wrong I probably know a lot

970
00:50:32,059 --> 00:50:28,219
more about the actual nature of UFOs and

971
00:50:34,549 --> 00:50:32,069
related phenomena then anybody connected

972
00:50:37,189 --> 00:50:34,559
with any government project the Navy's

973
00:50:41,419 --> 00:50:37,199
more current project going back to

974
00:50:45,709 --> 00:50:41,429
project sign grunge Blue Book these were

975
00:50:48,229 --> 00:50:45,719
very very small operations they were

976
00:50:49,969 --> 00:50:48,239
three people or the secretary you know

977
00:50:52,699 --> 00:50:49,979
and the secretary probably knew more

978
00:50:57,049 --> 00:50:52,709
than the colonel put in charge of the

979
00:51:02,490 --> 00:50:57,059
project it's just not where the action

980
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:02,500
is because the assumption made by

981
00:51:07,609 --> 00:51:04,960
the government was either this is a

982
00:51:12,210 --> 00:51:07,619
nuts-and-bolts phenomena by which I mean

983
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:12,220
then it's a physical presence of alien

984
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:15,130
beings from another planet they came to

985
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:18,010
earth to borrow a term with powers and

986
00:51:25,630 --> 00:51:22,010
abilities far beyond those of mortal men

987
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:25,640
for its misidentification of natural

988
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:28,930
phenomena for its a series of Oates's

989
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:32,570
those are deflections none of those

990
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:36,650
things are true one of my great

991
00:51:42,460 --> 00:51:39,650
in Proverbs that I don't really have a

992
00:51:49,090 --> 00:51:42,470
good answer for busily psychologically

993
00:51:53,410 --> 00:51:49,100
is why on earth when not you foes per se

994
00:51:55,240 --> 00:51:53,420
but as they go back to the dawn of the

995
00:51:58,480 --> 00:51:55,250
planet I guess but certainly to the

996
00:52:01,480 --> 00:51:58,490
darling humanity why when they show up

997
00:52:04,270 --> 00:52:01,490
in public consciousness shortly after

998
00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:04,280
World War two

999
00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:10,250
is the immediate response that these are

1000
00:52:15,940 --> 00:52:13,250
visitors from another planet and that

1001
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:15,950
has been reinforced over and over and

1002
00:52:23,380 --> 00:52:19,490
over again it's not an impossibility

1003
00:52:27,130 --> 00:52:23,390
although I think people who espouse that

1004
00:52:31,750 --> 00:52:27,140
rarely confront the distances between

1005
00:52:34,330 --> 00:52:31,760
stars let alone galaxies used to be

1006
00:52:36,750 --> 00:52:34,340
oh they're men from Mars well you know a

1007
00:52:42,180 --> 00:52:36,760
good deal more about Mars than we did in

1008
00:52:45,490 --> 00:52:42,190
1947 it's more likely that our earthly

1009
00:52:49,330 --> 00:52:45,500
spacecraft that go to Mars are the

1010
00:52:52,180 --> 00:52:49,340
phenomenon on Mars than Martians are the

1011
00:52:55,750 --> 00:52:52,190
phenomena on earth so it's moved out to

1012
00:53:00,100 --> 00:52:55,760
Sirius which is a hot relatively new

1013
00:53:02,830 --> 00:53:00,110
star unlikely to be an absolute source

1014
00:53:05,620 --> 00:53:02,840
of any kind of intelligent life and then

1015
00:53:09,150 --> 00:53:05,630
on out into the universe where distances

1016
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:09,160
are awesome

1017
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:12,250
it's not impossible because technology

1018
00:53:17,529 --> 00:53:14,530
can always have breakthroughs that we

1019
00:53:20,949 --> 00:53:17,539
haven't added yet you know

1020
00:53:23,469 --> 00:53:20,959
warp drive is one of the devices that

1021
00:53:25,749 --> 00:53:23,479
science fiction uses to get by that but

1022
00:53:28,779 --> 00:53:25,759
we don't have a warp drive and there may

1023
00:53:31,029 --> 00:53:28,789
not be a possibility of that but even if

1024
00:53:34,389 --> 00:53:31,039
there is and even if there is life on

1025
00:53:36,939 --> 00:53:34,399
other planets why would the immediate

1026
00:53:42,459 --> 00:53:36,949
assumption for something seen either on

1027
00:53:46,269 --> 00:53:42,469
or near the earth only never see deep in

1028
00:53:51,309 --> 00:53:46,279
space all that excitement last year when

1029
00:53:55,389 --> 00:53:51,319
that whatever it was Oh mwah mwah as it

1030
00:53:59,979 --> 00:53:55,399
was called in Hawaiian possibly an

1031
00:54:06,239 --> 00:53:59,989
asteroid or who knows what exactly it

1032
00:54:09,339 --> 00:54:06,249
was no but does came from a extra solar

1033
00:54:11,649 --> 00:54:09,349
source that the first time anything like

1034
00:54:15,849 --> 00:54:11,659
that had ever been spotted an enormous

1035
00:54:19,059 --> 00:54:15,859
speculation and enormous well there you

1036
00:54:21,939 --> 00:54:19,069
go it's not a common thing for things to

1037
00:54:24,459 --> 00:54:21,949
come creeping in from outside the solar

1038
00:54:27,759 --> 00:54:24,469
system simply because there are vast

1039
00:54:31,779 --> 00:54:27,769
distances between solar systems but

1040
00:54:34,779 --> 00:54:31,789
immediately people in 1947 from Kenneth

1041
00:54:38,199 --> 00:54:34,789
Arnold on are talking about aliens from

1042
00:54:41,889 --> 00:54:38,209
other planet right and I'm wondering why

1043
00:54:44,859 --> 00:54:41,899
that was the leak why do that why not oh

1044
00:54:48,639 --> 00:54:44,869
this is a religious phenomena and we all

1045
00:54:49,989 --> 00:54:48,649
need to go back to church or whatever ha

1046
00:54:52,149 --> 00:54:49,999
well it could have been just another one

1047
00:54:53,709 --> 00:54:52,159
of those red herrings because yes it

1048
00:54:55,599 --> 00:54:53,719
does appear that the government or

1049
00:54:57,939 --> 00:54:55,609
military intelligence is obsessed with

1050
00:55:00,359 --> 00:54:57,949
the nuts and bolts aspect on the surface

1051
00:55:02,799 --> 00:55:00,369
but the CIA is no stranger to

1052
00:55:05,289 --> 00:55:02,809
experiments and consciousness the

1053
00:55:08,169 --> 00:55:05,299
blueblood elite are not strangers to

1054
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:08,179
seances communing with the nine and this

1055
00:55:12,939 --> 00:55:10,729
kind of stuff so I think at a deeper

1056
00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:12,949
level they've connected this stuff I

1057
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:15,609
think the CIA is is well aware that

1058
00:55:22,809 --> 00:55:18,729
consciousness and channeling and

1059
00:55:25,689 --> 00:55:22,819
summoning is a lot closer to what these

1060
00:55:27,609 --> 00:55:25,699
creatures are than spacecraft they won't

1061
00:55:30,069 --> 00:55:27,619
tell us that but there's documents that

1062
00:55:31,330 --> 00:55:30,079
show back in the 50s and 60s they were

1063
00:55:32,770 --> 00:55:31,340
they were pretty

1064
00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:32,780
on this thing they were hovering over

1065
00:55:36,970 --> 00:55:34,250
the target it seems so I can only

1066
00:55:39,010 --> 00:55:36,980
imagine sense that they they haven't

1067
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:39,020
wised up they're not going to project

1068
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:40,970
that outwardly to the rest of the world

1069
00:55:47,290 --> 00:55:43,850
but I think they know don't you know I

1070
00:55:50,130 --> 00:55:47,300
think they probably know less than the

1071
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:50,140
most sophisticated people in research

1072
00:55:58,780 --> 00:55:55,970
but what they do is instructed I have an

1073
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:58,790
interesting conversation with Dewey

1074
00:56:04,870 --> 00:56:01,280
fournaye who was the Pentagon monitor

1075
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:04,880
for project Bluebook back during the

1076
00:56:11,260 --> 00:56:08,330
period where you phones were seen over

1077
00:56:14,950 --> 00:56:11,270
restricted airspace this is long three

1078
00:56:17,530 --> 00:56:14,960
911 restricted airspace in DC that would

1079
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:17,540
be over the White House and I got etc

1080
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:22,010
and there was a tremendous UFO flap it's

1081
00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:23,810
how I thought his first came to my

1082
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:26,480
attention in fact because my father was

1083
00:56:30,550 --> 00:56:27,650
going on about it because it was

1084
00:56:35,770 --> 00:56:30,560
headline news in the summer in July of

1085
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:35,780
1952 after that or they informed the end

1086
00:56:42,430 --> 00:56:40,130
I have since seen documentation for he

1087
00:56:47,070 --> 00:56:42,440
have to get back into the mentality at

1088
00:56:50,020 --> 00:56:47,080
the time the red-baiting notion that the

1089
00:56:53,310 --> 00:56:50,030
Soviet Union was looking for an

1090
00:56:57,130 --> 00:56:53,320
opportunity to attack us with their

1091
00:57:01,900 --> 00:56:57,140
nuclear bombers which they probably had

1092
00:57:05,350 --> 00:57:01,910
three with propellers and that private

1093
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:05,360
UFO organizations said the CIA and their

1094
00:57:13,450 --> 00:57:09,280
1953 panel could be infiltrated by

1095
00:57:18,190 --> 00:57:13,460
communists again this is the spirit of

1096
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:18,200
those times the McCarthy era and used to

1097
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:21,410
create an artificial UFO flap that would

1098
00:57:30,610 --> 00:57:25,280
mask a Soviet all-out first strike

1099
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:30,620
attack and therefore said the CIA we

1100
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:34,090
need to do something to suppress these

1101
00:57:39,340 --> 00:57:36,650
organizations because they're too

1102
00:57:40,930 --> 00:57:39,350
vulnerable to Soviet influence they also

1103
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:40,940
by the way thought the same thing about

1104
00:57:45,190 --> 00:57:42,770
the PTA so in a

1105
00:57:48,250 --> 00:57:45,200
we need to put these things in relative

1106
00:57:52,690 --> 00:57:48,260
terms that may explain some of the early

1107
00:57:55,180 --> 00:57:52,700
really anomalous minute block cases it

1108
00:57:58,030 --> 00:57:55,190
certainly may explain some of the

1109
00:58:01,390 --> 00:57:58,040
explanations you have coming out of the

1110
00:58:03,310 --> 00:58:01,400
military but when you talk about and I

1111
00:58:06,370 --> 00:58:03,320
assume you're talking about the

1112
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:06,380
government program to see if LSD that

1113
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:11,330
caused people to become basically using

1114
00:58:15,700 --> 00:58:14,210
it as a hypnotic right MKULTRA goes a

1115
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:15,710
lot deeper but that's definitely a

1116
00:58:23,410 --> 00:58:20,690
threat of MKULTRA yeah but who or what

1117
00:58:25,780 --> 00:58:23,420
is in Ko through is it a government

1118
00:58:28,620 --> 00:58:25,790
program or is it something that masks

1119
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:28,630
itself as a government program my

1120
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:32,610
contact with this phenomena

1121
00:58:37,540 --> 00:58:34,530
and when I say phenomena here I'm

1122
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:37,550
including those who investigate or

1123
00:58:45,860 --> 00:58:42,480
purport to investigate the anomalies

1124
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:45,870
which have emerged over the last well

1125
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:48,960
since World War two my whole lifetime

1126
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:51,330
today

1127
00:58:59,750 --> 00:58:56,970
is that it's a very very secondary thing

1128
00:59:05,210 --> 00:58:59,760
to the government it's a very very big

1129
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:05,220
thing to other interests and the reason

1130
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:08,130
I say that is because every program that

1131
00:59:13,010 --> 00:59:10,650
is government related not counting

1132
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:13,020
secret weapons programs that are

1133
00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:16,410
mistaken for extraterrestrial vehicles

1134
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:19,440
which I think like area 51 the

1135
00:59:24,860 --> 00:59:22,530
government has encouraged that they'd

1136
00:59:29,090 --> 00:59:24,870
rather have people chasing something

1137
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:29,100
from the planet people then riveting

1138
00:59:35,290 --> 00:59:32,970
their interests on let's say the b-1

1139
00:59:40,070 --> 00:59:35,300
bomber that was probably developed at

1140
00:59:44,610 --> 00:59:40,080
one of those facilities that are said to

1141
00:59:50,310 --> 00:59:47,310
if there are secret alien bases they're

1142
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:50,320
not in tandem with the government

1143
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:53,370
I don't think and that's based on my

1144
00:59:58,680 --> 00:59:56,170
fifty plus years experience in dealing

1145
01:00:03,320 --> 00:59:58,690
with this that having gone through the

1146
01:00:05,850 --> 01:00:03,330
Bluebook files which i did at the

1147
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:05,860
courtesy of the invitation of the head

1148
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:08,050
of the Senate Armed Services Committee

1149
01:00:12,330 --> 01:00:10,450
at that time who happened to be my

1150
01:00:17,010 --> 01:00:12,340
senator who I happen to have caught at

1151
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:17,020
home and express the view that the move

1152
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:18,930
of files after Blue Book disclosed

1153
01:00:26,180 --> 01:00:22,290
needed to be preserved so I wound up

1154
01:00:29,150 --> 01:00:26,190
getting a chance to have a look at

1155
01:00:31,730 --> 01:00:29,160
you may be right and I may be on the

1156
01:00:34,339 --> 01:00:31,740
wrong path there most of what I say I'm

1157
01:00:37,180 --> 01:00:34,349
confident up where the government is

1158
01:00:43,099 --> 01:00:37,190
concerned I'm confident of nothing

1159
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:43,109
however that said my guess is that the

1160
01:00:52,170 --> 01:00:47,490
significant work that is being done is

1161
01:00:57,460 --> 01:00:55,260
involving synchronicities involving

1162
01:01:01,420 --> 01:00:57,470
investigators becoming part of the

1163
01:01:05,740 --> 01:01:01,430
phenomena in involving stuff that

1164
01:01:07,330 --> 01:01:05,750
clearly is not of this world if there is

1165
01:01:10,030 --> 01:01:07,340
any government involvement

1166
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:10,040
it goes beyond government involvement

1167
01:01:16,780 --> 01:01:12,050
because it undermines the whole notion

1168
01:01:20,050 --> 01:01:16,790
of a three-dimensional reality being all

1169
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:20,060
that there is in the universe and all

1170
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:22,970
that explains

1171
01:01:28,809 --> 01:01:25,130
whatever it's supposed to be explaining

1172
01:01:31,690 --> 01:01:28,819
I don't think there is any truth in that

1173
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:31,700
and I think that if there were a big

1174
01:01:36,849 --> 01:01:34,130
government interest you would never have

1175
01:01:39,819 --> 01:01:36,859
seen it public development of quantum

1176
01:01:41,859 --> 01:01:39,829
physics because quantum physics kind of

1177
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:41,869
undermines the whole notion of 3d

1178
01:01:47,980 --> 01:01:46,130
reality fair fair well and as we are

1179
01:01:50,109 --> 01:01:47,990
wrapping this up given that the secret

1180
01:01:51,730 --> 01:01:50,119
cipher was written in the 90s you know

1181
01:01:53,829 --> 01:01:51,740
20 plus years ago

1182
01:01:55,750 --> 01:01:53,839
are there insights you've gained since

1183
01:01:58,089 --> 01:01:55,760
then that you would have added or any

1184
01:01:59,410 --> 01:01:58,099
way that you would would change it today

1185
01:02:01,390 --> 01:01:59,420
I know you've been out of the game a

1186
01:02:03,609 --> 01:02:01,400
little while when it comes to this stuff

1187
01:02:06,010 --> 01:02:03,619
you haven't been embedded in ufology but

1188
01:02:09,490 --> 01:02:06,020
would you make any changes are addendums

1189
01:02:12,539 --> 01:02:09,500
today oh I wasn't aware that I had been

1190
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:12,549
out of ufology what I now know is the

1191
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:15,170
transition between publishing the little

1192
01:02:21,910 --> 01:02:17,690
newsletters that you have to collate

1193
01:02:25,650 --> 01:02:21,920
fold and stamp and seal and get out to

1194
01:02:29,650 --> 01:02:25,660
your 300 subscribers as opposed to

1195
01:02:34,299 --> 01:02:29,660
posting something today on Facebook or

1196
01:02:37,660 --> 01:02:34,309
on your own website and reaching tens of

1197
01:02:39,940 --> 01:02:37,670
thousands of people fair fair it took me

1198
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:39,950
a while to make that transition but I

1199
01:02:45,309 --> 01:02:41,930
haven't ever been out of the occult or

1200
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:45,319
apology or anything else what I was up

1201
01:02:50,799 --> 01:02:48,890
until about 15 years ago was limited as

1202
01:02:53,579 --> 01:02:50,809
to how much I could do with you pose

1203
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:53,589
because I got flak from the supposed

1204
01:03:00,640 --> 01:02:56,930
magical order that I was affiliated with

1205
01:03:03,099 --> 01:03:00,650
so getting out of that as I put it at

1206
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:03,109
the time was a bit like getting out of

1207
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:06,770
jail so from that point on I have

1208
01:03:13,470 --> 01:03:10,490
integrated the various interests openly

1209
01:03:17,190 --> 01:03:13,480
whereas during that period I was

1210
01:03:23,650 --> 01:03:17,200
somewhat medicine as it had been

1211
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:23,660
discouraged by the powers that be not he

1212
01:03:28,610 --> 01:03:26,370
said cryptically right

1213
01:03:30,500 --> 01:03:28,620
fair enough yes that's a good

1214
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:30,510
clarification so you wouldn't really

1215
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:32,370
change the secret cipher or add anything

1216
01:03:38,620 --> 01:03:34,050
to it that you've learned in the past

1217
01:03:42,350 --> 01:03:38,630
couple decades no I will say this that

1218
01:03:47,090 --> 01:03:42,360
when I was approached well before

1219
01:03:49,550 --> 01:03:47,100
Hellyer was even an earlier one ugly by

1220
01:03:52,990 --> 01:03:49,560
paranoia press about getting out a

1221
01:03:56,510 --> 01:03:53,000
combined addition I said oh I look

1222
01:03:58,970 --> 01:03:56,520
something that I think is run its course

1223
01:04:02,210 --> 01:03:58,980
but I think I combined addition would

1224
01:04:06,710 --> 01:04:02,220
save people money on by both and they

1225
01:04:08,870 --> 01:04:06,720
are sort of kind of out of I don't know

1226
01:04:11,750 --> 01:04:08,880
that that term even applies anymore

1227
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:11,760
because so much of the printing is done

1228
01:04:17,420 --> 01:04:15,450
by print on demand services as many

1229
01:04:19,970 --> 01:04:17,430
people will tell you

1230
01:04:22,849 --> 01:04:19,980
therefore there is no such thing as our

1231
01:04:25,069 --> 01:04:22,859
print as such unless you pull it out of

1232
01:04:26,540 --> 01:04:25,079
credi which happened with one of my

1233
01:04:30,830 --> 01:04:26,550
books

1234
01:04:32,650 --> 01:04:30,840
I think the distance between the two was

1235
01:05:19,120 --> 01:04:32,660
a

1236
01:05:22,479 --> 01:05:19,130
there's the new introduction

1237
01:05:25,150 --> 01:05:22,489
that sort of clarifies the entire issue

1238
01:05:28,839 --> 01:05:25,160
certainly the old introduction didn't

1239
01:05:31,749 --> 01:05:28,849
clarify anything right on yes well I

1240
01:05:34,029 --> 01:05:31,759
loved it and it definitely flowed they

1241
01:05:37,239 --> 01:05:34,039
definitely are a great set to have in

1242
01:05:39,279 --> 01:05:37,249
one volume and this has been a wild ride

1243
01:05:41,620 --> 01:05:39,289
man I really enjoyed it I know you have

1244
01:05:43,779 --> 01:05:41,630
several other books and a website full

1245
01:05:45,460 --> 01:05:43,789
of even more material could you tell

1246
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:45,470
people about some of this work and where

1247
01:05:51,549 --> 01:05:46,970
to get it before we really call it in

1248
01:05:55,779 --> 01:05:51,559
okay I always say the best way to get to

1249
01:06:00,430 --> 01:05:55,789
my website which is being transferred to

1250
01:06:04,180 --> 01:06:00,440
a new server is just to spell my name

1251
01:06:08,079 --> 01:06:04,190
right on google google my name talent al

1252
01:06:12,700 --> 01:06:08,089
L am NOT one of those others Greenfield

1253
01:06:14,710 --> 01:06:12,710
ger een fi eld and since I've been on

1254
01:06:17,099 --> 01:06:14,720
the internet since before it was the

1255
01:06:19,839 --> 01:06:17,109
Internet you will find a plethora of

1256
01:06:22,569 --> 01:06:19,849
pinatas well not a plethora of pinatas

1257
01:06:25,180 --> 01:06:22,579
but you'll find a plethora of references

1258
01:06:29,410 --> 01:06:25,190
including my website my facebook page

1259
01:06:33,219 --> 01:06:29,420
and mr. Zuckerberg doesn't allow you to

1260
01:06:36,130 --> 01:06:33,229
have more than 5,000 friends so I have

1261
01:06:39,009 --> 01:06:36,140
my 5,000 friends but occasionally I lose

1262
01:06:41,349 --> 01:06:39,019
a friend so you can get in there and you

1263
01:06:43,989 --> 01:06:41,359
could always just follow the page it's

1264
01:06:47,279 --> 01:06:43,999
updated virtually daily and I always

1265
01:06:51,039 --> 01:06:47,289
come up with something pretty weird and

1266
01:06:54,370 --> 01:06:51,049
fascinating to post every single day on

1267
01:06:56,709 --> 01:06:54,380
Facebook my site is more illuminating

1268
01:06:58,809 --> 01:06:56,719
than that and if you still catch it I

1269
01:07:02,950 --> 01:06:58,819
think it still has another month in its

1270
01:07:05,859 --> 01:07:02,960
old location which is very dated but

1271
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:05,869
nevertheless path you can google my name

1272
01:07:14,769 --> 01:07:09,890
you can fly my wordpress site my mind

1273
01:07:18,999 --> 01:07:14,779
screen an extinct server nevertheless

1274
01:07:21,190 --> 01:07:19,009
that's it goes back to it like 1995 the

1275
01:07:23,859 --> 01:07:21,200
site's been up since then but it's been

1276
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:23,869
you know revised and revised and the

1277
01:07:29,769 --> 01:07:26,690
guys prepare to be shocked there's lots

1278
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:29,779
of shocking stuff on it and finally the

1279
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:33,290
other book that is current that

1280
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:36,050
does it sell anywhere nearly as well as

1281
01:07:41,020 --> 01:07:38,450
the complete secret flat review notes is

1282
01:07:44,230 --> 01:07:41,030
as I mentioned earlier God never does

1283
01:07:48,609 --> 01:07:44,240
the same thing twice which is my gonzo

1284
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:48,619
book I pulled up all of my stops so what

1285
01:07:56,790 --> 01:07:53,210
have I learned about reality in the 73

1286
01:08:01,900 --> 01:07:56,800
years I have been incarnate here and

1287
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:01,910
that's what it is it's me talking to you

1288
01:08:10,420 --> 01:08:05,930
so if anybody cares what my intuition

1289
01:08:12,580 --> 01:08:10,430
and opinions are you might want to get

1290
01:08:17,410 --> 01:08:12,590
yourself a copy of God never does the

1291
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:17,420
same thing twice which again is not not

1292
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:21,770
a religious book it is unless gonzo is a

1293
01:08:26,110 --> 01:08:23,410
religion

1294
01:08:27,999 --> 01:08:26,120
but well to some people it is but either

1295
01:08:30,940 --> 01:08:28,009
way very very cool

1296
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:30,950
I know you've had a really deep and rich

1297
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:33,770
and exciting and adventurous life so I

1298
01:08:39,820 --> 01:08:36,170
definitely would be interested and say

1299
01:08:43,269 --> 01:08:39,830
so far that makes I always say it's been

1300
01:08:46,870 --> 01:08:43,279
interesting so far you never know what

1301
01:08:49,690 --> 01:08:46,880
tomorrow will bring right right Touche

1302
01:08:51,370 --> 01:08:49,700
well this has been a really good time

1303
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:51,380
very provocative

1304
01:08:55,539 --> 01:08:53,690
I really appreciate spending some time

1305
01:09:00,840 --> 01:08:55,549
with me today and keep up the great work

1306
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:03,640
rock me like a hurricane higher side

1307
01:09:11,590 --> 01:09:07,370
shatters the secret cipher of the youfo

1308
01:09:15,130 --> 01:09:11,600
knots finally revealed Alain Greenfield

1309
01:09:17,470 --> 01:09:15,140
with one hell of a premise the very

1310
01:09:19,570 --> 01:09:17,480
foundation of secret societies an occult

1311
01:09:21,370 --> 01:09:19,580
orders being built around contact

1312
01:09:22,990 --> 01:09:21,380
protocols to communicate with the

1313
01:09:27,100 --> 01:09:23,000
whatsits and the what-have-yous in the

1314
01:09:30,220 --> 01:09:27,110
shadows I like it and what are grimoires

1315
01:09:33,730 --> 01:09:30,230
but usually exactly that at least in

1316
01:09:37,570 --> 01:09:33,740
part and now of course this is another

1317
01:09:41,110 --> 01:09:37,580
THC episode that was recorded pre Corona

1318
01:09:43,420 --> 01:09:41,120
chaos and I have to apologize to Allen

1319
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:43,430
because I know he was anxious to be able

1320
01:09:48,130 --> 01:09:46,130
to share this with his followers I think

1321
01:09:50,290 --> 01:09:48,140
he was happy with how it turned out and

1322
01:09:53,410 --> 01:09:50,300
it was all ready to go the day after

1323
01:09:55,480 --> 01:09:53,420
things started to get taken up to such a

1324
01:09:58,810 --> 01:09:55,490
level that I just couldn't release

1325
01:10:01,860 --> 01:09:58,820
another show that didn't address it like

1326
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:01,870
I said before I'd be if I had four shows

1327
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:04,250
pre-recorded and then 9/11 happened

1328
01:10:10,090 --> 01:10:06,770
you're not gonna release four episodes

1329
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:10,100
of a show of this nature that don't talk

1330
01:10:16,870 --> 01:10:13,730
about that big unprecedented thing we

1331
01:10:19,510 --> 01:10:16,880
just experienced so first I put my own

1332
01:10:21,700 --> 01:10:19,520
statement out because it was the fastest

1333
01:10:23,500 --> 01:10:21,710
thing I could do and we talked around it

1334
01:10:26,290 --> 01:10:23,510
with Ross Ben cuz he was on the schedule

1335
01:10:27,940 --> 01:10:26,300
then we spent some time with David Crowe

1336
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:27,950
and then we went over it again with

1337
01:10:34,420 --> 01:10:31,850
Gordon and Chris so I think we can start

1338
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:34,430
to get back to business around here a

1339
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:35,330
little bit

1340
01:10:39,670 --> 01:10:37,850
believe me this Corona crackdown is an

1341
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:39,680
unprecedented thing that has me

1342
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:42,290
concerned that it won't be over soon I

1343
01:10:47,710 --> 01:10:45,050
set it from that beginning statement now

1344
01:10:50,350 --> 01:10:47,720
that they got us all inside when is a

1345
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:50,360
virus gone I just don't know I don't

1346
01:10:56,350 --> 01:10:53,570
think we're getting out so quickly it's

1347
01:10:58,150 --> 01:10:56,360
not just going to be two weeks and of

1348
01:11:00,190 --> 01:10:58,160
course it's going to come up in every

1349
01:11:02,380 --> 01:11:00,200
show that we record during this time

1350
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:02,390
period and I'm catering some more the

1351
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:05,090
guests lineup to be more in the medical

1352
01:11:08,940 --> 01:11:07,210
expert space

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01:11:11,790 --> 01:11:08,950
I also think we might be getting

1354
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:11,800
mentally exhausted by this and maybe a

1355
01:11:16,740 --> 01:11:14,050
conversation about demon aliens is a

1356
01:11:20,459 --> 01:11:16,750
nice break although I am gonna do a

1357
01:11:22,620 --> 01:11:20,469
little live video webinar session with

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01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:22,630
Gordon to go over the information we've

1359
01:11:27,810 --> 01:11:24,930
both been digesting since that interview

1360
01:11:29,820 --> 01:11:27,820
the material he's been putting in his

1361
01:11:31,530 --> 01:11:29,830
coronavirus newsroom and some of the

1362
01:11:33,690 --> 01:11:31,540
stuff that I've been putting in the Plus

1363
01:11:35,850 --> 01:11:33,700
forum along with some other members now

1364
01:11:38,070 --> 01:11:35,860
at this point which is great because I

1365
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:38,080
was just hoping to kick that news share

1366
01:11:42,750 --> 01:11:41,050
off but regardless if you want to get in

1367
01:11:45,780 --> 01:11:42,760
on that live stream that we're going to

1368
01:11:48,450 --> 01:11:45,790
be doing I will email the link out to

1369
01:11:51,450 --> 01:11:48,460
plus members it's not something I ever

1370
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:51,460
really do unless we have to like for a

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01:11:55,950 --> 01:11:54,250
technical reason emailing all the Plus

1372
01:12:00,420 --> 01:11:55,960
members in masse I might have done it

1373
01:12:02,430 --> 01:12:00,430
five times over five years but I don't

1374
01:12:05,300 --> 01:12:02,440
know how else to get you the link in a

1375
01:12:07,979 --> 01:12:05,310
timely manner I can't just expect you to

1376
01:12:09,300 --> 01:12:07,989
randomly check the website especially

1377
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:09,310
when so many people listen to the

1378
01:12:14,910 --> 01:12:11,770
podcast through an app but if you are

1379
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:14,920
hearing this show as it comes out on

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01:12:19,440 --> 01:12:17,530
Friday I guess you have some time to

1381
01:12:21,930 --> 01:12:19,450
sign up for plus if you want that email

1382
01:12:24,630 --> 01:12:21,940
but I'm gonna email that link out on

1383
01:12:29,270 --> 01:12:24,640
Saturday and us bubble boys will be

1384
01:12:33,750 --> 01:12:29,280
breaking it down for you / bubble tea

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01:12:35,340 --> 01:12:33,760
Monday evening 6 p.m. Pacific time you

1386
01:12:37,860 --> 01:12:35,350
do have to sign up because we're

1387
01:12:41,190 --> 01:12:37,870
probably going to go over zooms size

1388
01:12:43,020 --> 01:12:41,200
limit with our powers combined and it

1389
01:12:45,690 --> 01:12:43,030
seems to be a better practice for not

1390
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:45,700
crashing the system if we have everyone

1391
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:48,489
pre registered so be on the lookout for

1392
01:12:53,729 --> 01:12:51,010
that email Gordon is actually doing a

1393
01:12:56,190 --> 01:12:53,739
lot of these tea party webinars as he's

1394
01:12:57,620 --> 01:12:56,200
calling them and then I said bubble boys

1395
01:13:02,470 --> 01:12:57,630
and it just works

1396
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:03,760
do you think this is gonna be a fun one

1397
01:13:10,020 --> 01:13:06,770
because we both been digesting just a

1398
01:13:12,940 --> 01:13:10,030
ton of information but who hasn't right

1399
01:13:15,430 --> 01:13:12,950
anyway as for today's show I had just

1400
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:15,440
finished Hellyer when Olaf from paranoia

1401
01:13:19,780 --> 01:13:17,690
messaged me about the release of the

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01:13:21,820 --> 01:13:19,790
complete secret cipher of the u fo nots

1403
01:13:25,060 --> 01:13:21,830
and asked if I'd like to talk to Alan

1404
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:25,070
and of course I jumped on it not because

1405
01:13:30,700 --> 01:13:28,250
I really loved Helier all that much to

1406
01:13:33,850 --> 01:13:30,710
be honest I mean I loved the first

1407
01:13:37,180 --> 01:13:33,860
episode a lot but I thought it kind of

1408
01:13:39,790 --> 01:13:37,190
fizzled out a bit from there I do

1409
01:13:41,740 --> 01:13:39,800
understand the meaning and the value and

1410
01:13:44,500 --> 01:13:41,750
the surprise of getting hit with a high

1411
01:13:47,350 --> 01:13:44,510
dose of synchronicity when you're in

1412
01:13:49,900 --> 01:13:47,360
that paranormal vortexer feeling like

1413
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:49,910
you've been led down a path but it's

1414
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:52,130
kind of like explaining your dreams to

1415
01:13:59,350 --> 01:13:54,410
someone I don't think it translates as

1416
01:14:01,720 --> 01:13:59,360
well to others or to TV but when Alan

1417
01:14:04,060 --> 01:14:01,730
says it's a very genuine and accurate

1418
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:04,070
depiction of a field investigation and

1419
01:14:09,010 --> 01:14:06,290
the weirdness involved I'm sure it is I

1420
01:14:10,690 --> 01:14:09,020
don't doubt that at all and for that

1421
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:10,700
reason it probably does hold a special

1422
01:14:18,430 --> 01:14:15,530
place in paranormal media history but it

1423
01:14:20,590 --> 01:14:18,440
was the aspects that related to Alan and

1424
01:14:23,050 --> 01:14:20,600
the secret cipher that I did find most

1425
01:14:25,630 --> 01:14:23,060
interesting and when I got deep into the

1426
01:14:28,210 --> 01:14:25,640
book itself man there is just so much

1427
01:14:30,970 --> 01:14:28,220
interesting material and a ton of great

1428
01:14:33,100 --> 01:14:30,980
lines I wish we could have hid more of

1429
01:14:34,540 --> 01:14:33,110
those quotes to have Alan elaborate on

1430
01:14:36,910 --> 01:14:34,550
that I could have pulled out on my

1431
01:14:39,580 --> 01:14:36,920
outline but it was a little tough to

1432
01:14:42,700 --> 01:14:39,590
keep him on track which I still thought

1433
01:14:44,500 --> 01:14:42,710
was pretty fun but I only asked a couple

1434
01:14:47,260 --> 01:14:44,510
questions in the first hour so in the

1435
01:14:50,170 --> 01:14:47,270
second I scrapped a lot of the stuff

1436
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:50,180
that was planned to wait us slowly into

1437
01:14:54,820 --> 01:14:52,250
deep waters and I just jumped to the

1438
01:14:57,010 --> 01:14:54,830
last page and thought all right let's

1439
01:15:00,460 --> 01:14:57,020
get into it the clock is tickin by a lot

1440
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:00,470
faster than I expected and I am really

1441
01:15:05,740 --> 01:15:02,930
happy with some of that stuff very

1442
01:15:07,930 --> 01:15:05,750
provocative and those deeper levels

1443
01:15:09,790 --> 01:15:07,940
these deeper waters I'm talking about

1444
01:15:13,390 --> 01:15:09,800
they're all kind of wrapped up in these

1445
01:15:15,790 --> 01:15:13,400
two secret factions and the spiritual

1446
01:15:16,390 --> 01:15:15,800
battle for Humanity and it's really a

1447
01:15:17,530 --> 01:15:16,400
great

1448
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:17,540
implement - some of the stuff we got

1449
01:15:25,090 --> 01:15:20,570
into it loan Milotic at a few weeks back

1450
01:15:28,959 --> 01:15:25,100
because compromising or interacting with

1451
01:15:32,530 --> 01:15:28,969
that human power of creation is a big

1452
01:15:34,630 --> 01:15:32,540
part of that mix as well so the first

1453
01:15:36,820 --> 01:15:34,640
hour we kind of set the stage talked

1454
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:36,830
about Hell you're a bit and the Grail

1455
01:15:43,570 --> 01:15:40,610
quest parallels but in the Plus show we

1456
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:43,580
got into the Grey's sexual fluids and

1457
01:15:48,939 --> 01:15:46,610
sodomy secretions Wilhelm Reich Oregon

1458
01:15:51,910 --> 01:15:48,949
and the aliens the importance of

1459
01:15:53,590 --> 01:15:51,920
banishing rituals messages from beings

1460
01:15:56,399 --> 01:15:53,600
that come from worlds that have been

1461
01:16:00,040 --> 01:15:56,409
conquered by the greys transcending

1462
01:16:03,399 --> 01:16:00,050
dimensions via the Enoch Ian process and

1463
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:03,409
just all kinds of interesting stuff and

1464
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:06,290
it kind of is a shame because I was

1465
01:16:11,770 --> 01:16:08,330
really really psyched to get this

1466
01:16:15,430 --> 01:16:11,780
episode out to the world before reality

1467
01:16:18,820 --> 01:16:15,440
got turned upside down but you know this

1468
01:16:23,110 --> 01:16:18,830
too shall pass and then maybe we can be

1469
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:23,120
interested and stuff like this again but

1470
01:16:27,850 --> 01:16:25,370
if you want to dive deeper into Allen's

1471
01:16:30,970 --> 01:16:27,860
book I definitely recommend it it's got

1472
01:16:34,030 --> 01:16:30,980
a ton of interesting content in it it's

1473
01:16:37,209 --> 01:16:34,040
very detail-oriented somewhat over my

1474
01:16:39,850 --> 01:16:37,219
head but I tried my best to hang on for

1475
01:16:43,390 --> 01:16:39,860
that ride and it's basically two books

1476
01:16:46,540 --> 01:16:43,400
and one now with that big thanks to Alan

1477
01:16:49,350 --> 01:16:46,550
again and apologies for the delay I told

1478
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:49,360
him a little over a week and it's been

1479
01:16:54,910 --> 01:16:52,610
much longer than that I love you guys

1480
01:16:57,040 --> 01:16:54,920
hope you're all maintaining your sanity

1481
01:16:59,110 --> 01:16:57,050
out there plus members be on the lookout

1482
01:17:01,450 --> 01:16:59,120
for that email if you want to join the

1483
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:01,460
bubble tea party with Gordon on Monday

1484
01:17:06,399 --> 01:17:03,170
and I'll talk to you then

1485
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:06,409
your move what's its what have yous you

1486
01:17:14,529 --> 01:17:08,570
Fonuts and secret keepers of the black

1487
01:17:25,020 --> 01:17:19,720
woke up this morning with light in my

1488
01:17:28,500 --> 01:17:25,030
eyes and then realized it was done

1489
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:34,150
it was the light coming down from the

1490
01:17:40,890 --> 01:17:43,130
you

1491
01:17:43,140 --> 01:17:47,870
must be those strangers

1492
01:17:58,680 --> 01:17:52,750
every night who's a saucer-shaped light

1493
01:18:08,500 --> 01:18:01,850
blue green footprints led

1494
01:18:14,330 --> 01:18:08,510
glow-in-the-dark I hope they get home

1495
01:18:14,330 --> 01:18:14,340
[Music]

1496
01:18:21,549 --> 01:18:20,490
mr. spaceman won't you please take me

1497
01:18:29,770 --> 01:18:21,559
along

1498
01:18:35,469 --> 01:18:29,780
I won't do anything wrong hey mr.

1499
01:18:40,770 --> 01:18:35,479
spaceman won't you please take me alone

1500
01:18:40,780 --> 01:18:46,230
moved up this morning

1501
01:18:56,549 --> 01:18:49,069
quite weird I had

1502
01:19:01,410 --> 01:18:59,020
open my window

1503
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:01,420
written my name

1504
01:19:06,440 --> 01:19:04,010
[Music]

1505
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:06,450
we'll see you

1506
01:19:27,540 --> 01:19:18,720
won't you please

1507
01:19:28,930 --> 01:19:27,550
I won't do anything wrong hey mr.

1508
01:19:31,590 --> 01:19:28,940
spaceman

1509
01:19:33,030 --> 01:19:31,600
[Music]

1510
01:19:41,180 --> 01:19:33,040
take me along

1511
01:19:44,300 --> 01:19:41,190
[Music]

1512
01:19:48,260 --> 01:19:44,310
mrs. face man

1513
01:19:55,020 --> 01:19:48,270
won't you please take me alone

1514
01:20:03,330 --> 01:19:58,670
[Music]

1515
01:20:13,070 --> 01:20:03,340
why don't you please take me along the

1516
01:20:18,750 --> 01:20:13,080
high tide won't you please take me along